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| heron wrote: |
... I think Dr Ishide has an eye for lurid characters and plots, what with Yasuzaemon and Executioner Asuemon and the Tosa doctor. Maybe he is also a novelist. 
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If he isn't, he ought to be! Thanks for the thought-provoking translation, heron! I've been consumed with visions of flesh-eating Tosa men ever since! 
I did some Googling of my own and found a bunch of articles on a Daito-Ryu (Aikido) website that concern the life and times of Takeda Sokaku, who taught Ueshiba Morihei, recognized as the founder of modern Aikido. In one anecdote, a young Sokaku, who experienced the unfortunate position of being on the Aizu side of the Boshin War (but as a 9-year-old boy, kind of a counterpart to Shiba Goro, perhaps), comes upon a bunch of Imperial soldiers. He notices:
"The soldiers often ate human flesh that they called “grilled meat” but when the boy was offered this flesh on the tip of a sword blade and told to eat it as it was good, he knew they were eating human flesh due to the food shortage and always refused it."
I wonder if these were also men of Tosa? There is a mention of the soldiers' commander, who looked "like a red orangutan," which might suggest the Shaguma headdress that is supposedly the mark of the Tosa contingent of Imperial soldiers. One wonders if this is one of those overblown martial arts tales or if the boy really saw the soldiers eating human flesh.
The index of articles is here if anyone is interested: http://www.daitoryuonline.com/articlelist
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Jamesdelnero
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| Also in WWII imperial soldier eat human meat and bile of enemy as medicine. |
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Jamesdelnero
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| Heron you can translate them?:・1870(明治03)年04月15日:政府、死刑者の死体を試し斬りすることを厳禁。を読みました。1870の(明治03)年04月15日:政府、人肝、霊天蓋(脳髄)、陰茎などの密売を厳禁。 |
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| Jamesdelnero wrote: |
| Heron you can translate them?:・1870(明治03)年04月15日:政府、死刑者の死体を試し斬りすることを厳禁。を読みました。1870の(明治03)年04月15日:政府、人肝、霊天蓋(脳髄)、陰茎などの密売を厳禁。 |
4/15/1870 (3rd year of Meiji) The government banned tameshigiri (testing swords on corpses) on executed criminals.
を読みました seems out of place, it's half a sentence that means "read xx" - it's missing the subject.
4/15/1870 (3rd year of Meiji) the government banned the black market sale of human livers, brains, and male genitalia.
A quick search of the internet seems to show that these organs taken from executed criminals were used as medicine. |
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Jamesdelnero
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| kitsuno,pass me the link where you found the search? |
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| Thank you. |
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Bethetsu
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An attempt:
明治３年４月15日、試し斬りなど刑死遺体の取締りに関し布令せられる。すなわち従前刑余の体を以て刀剣の利鈍を試み来りたる。右は残酷の事に付厳重取締可致其人胆或は○天蓋、陰茎など密売致すやに聞ゆる処、其効無之に付厳重取締可致旨布告される（太政官布告）
Meiji 3 4th month 15th day, a decree is made concerning the prohibition of sword-testing and other (practices regarding) the bodies of executed criminals: It has become the custom to test the quality of swords on bodies of felons. This is cruel, so it is to be strictly forbidden. It is (also) said that the internal organs, the skulls, and the genitalia of such people are sold secretly. As these have no effect (as medicine), this is to be strictly controlled. |
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Jamesdelnero
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| thanks for the translation,I think the question is answered, thank you all for your help |
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| Per the personal request of a third party I have removed a few posts in this thread - in the future, please use common sense and common courtesy by gaining permission of all involved before posting personal correspondence to a public forum. |
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