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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:45 pm    Post subject: Samurai women wearing head cover Reply with quote
Does anyone know why some of samurai women wear head cover?




I also watch taiga drama komyo ga tsuji and yoshitsune, and found this kind of head cover is worn by some high rank samurai women. Is there any rule for wearing this head cover?

I am not sure if this kind of question has been asked here before, but I couldn't find it. so my apology if this is repeated.

thanks in advance
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The major reason is that the woman has taken religious vows and shaved her head (usually a woman of status whose husband had died). I'm not sure if this would apply to the woman pictured, though.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
According to 江戸の四季と暮らし (Edo life in the 4 seasons) (one of the rekishi gunzo series) scarves like this became fashionable from the 18th century as winter wear. This book has a photo of a woman wearing a scarf very similar to the one you posted, except it is only head and shoulders. I think your photo is of typical winter clothing as the woman seems to be wearing a lined kimono, takabageta (high geta for walking through snow and slush) and tabi.

The scarf is called o-kosozukin お高祖頭巾

As far as I know women covered their head for various reasons - as Tatsunoshi says often if they had taken vows and shaved their heads – maybe in dramas for reasons of secrecy or intrigue, but I think most often to keep warm. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I thought I'd seen this image somewhere, but in fact what I'd seen was another very similar one, probably taken in the same studio. Terry Bennet in Early Japanese Images attributes this to Kusakabe Kimbei. This link tells you some more about the o-kosozukin and the colours worn by different age groups.

http://tinyurl.com/np689b
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
heron wrote:
I thought I'd seen this image somewhere, but in fact what I'd seen was another very similar one, probably taken in the same studio. Terry Bennet in Early Japanese Images attributes this to Kusakabe Kimbei. This link tells you some more about the o-kosozukin and the colours worn by different age groups.

http://tinyurl.com/np689b


Thank you very much. This is very helpful.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Women weren't be able to Samurai.
Or do you mean women in Buke?
But the woman in the pictute don't look Buke woman.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The photos are from the 1890s and staged in a studio so they wouldn't be of women of the buke class.

And the only other information I have is from the Edo period.

Shikisoku, do you know anything about head coverings before the 18th century? Or does anyone else?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Not so much in the Edo period.

There were the religious "veils" mentioned, as well as winter wear.

I don't have much on Edo period wear, but earlier you have the ichimegasa with a mushitareginu--I usually refer to it as a bug hat. They were popular in Tang China and made there way over to Japan for women (apparently of the upper class) who were going out and about.

Another type of headgear is the kosode. It may sound odd, at first, but you see many images of women out and about covering themselves with a kosode.

I can't think of much else outside of dance costumes.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Here is the snapshot from taiga drama Hojo Tokimune.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I should probably give this link, for any costume questions: http://www.iz2.or.jp

Fabulous site for info on historic clothing of any stripe.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Kyoto Costume Museum is indeed a great place. I'm sorry I wasn't around to visit it before it basically just became the centerpiece for the "Tale Of Genji" scale model mansion. Even though I love the display, it looks like it hasn't changed in years, and I'd rather see more of the full size costumes.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Women weren't be able to Samurai.
Or do you mean women in Buke?


Sorry, but, are you kidding me? Of course women could be samurai. Every woman born of the samurai class was samurai. Maybe they couldn't be samurai warriors, but that doesn't mean they couldn't be samurai. It's a social class, not a job description, and fully interchangeable with other terms such as buke.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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shikisoku wrote:
Women weren't be able to Samurai.
Or do you mean women in Buke?


Sorry, but, are you kidding me? Of course women could be samurai. Every woman born of the samurai class was samurai. Maybe they couldn't be samurai warriors, but that doesn't mean they couldn't be samurai. It's a social class, not a job description, and fully interchangeable with other terms such as buke.


Well, no. We had a long discussion about this issue over on the old Delphi forum. Samurai is a male-specific term applied only to men (and even then, there's a lot of disagreement of just who might qualify as a samurai). As Shiki has pointed out, women could be of the Buke class but were never called samurai. If they happened to be a 'female warrior', there were other terms applied to them instead (like onnamusha or besshikime).
Since it's become traditional to refer to women of the buke class as 'samurai women' in English, it's generally OK to use it that way-but to a Japanese, the term 'female samurai' makes about as much sense as 'male sister'.

Read more about it HERE (although it seems this member of academia hadn't gotten the memo on Tomoe Gozen being fictional yet-but it was written 5 years ago).
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Kyoto Costume museum changes its display each year or two (or has when I've visited), but it has kept the Tale of Genji setting. So, although there's lots of interesting stuff if you are into Heian period stuff, they don't have so much for folks into other periods.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
JLBadgley wrote:
The Kyoto Costume museum changes its display each year or two (or has when I've visited), but it has kept the Tale of Genji setting. So, although there's lots of interesting stuff if you are into Heian period stuff, they don't have so much for folks into other periods.

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That's the display in the second room, right (with the scale model of the mansion taking up the first room)? With the 'full size' room reproduction?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Actually, both.

They change out the mansion and the full-sized room: the first one with different scenes from Genji and the second with different types of clothing (though all still Heian).

What I'd love to see is for them to do a room with their reproductions throughout history.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
lordameth wrote:
shikisoku wrote:
Women weren't be able to Samurai.
Or do you mean women in Buke?


Sorry, but, are you kidding me? Of course women could be samurai. Every woman born of the samurai class was samurai. Maybe they couldn't be samurai warriors, but that doesn't mean they couldn't be samurai. It's a social class, not a job description, and fully interchangeable with other terms such as buke.


We call it Buke.武家
We don't say "The woman is Samurai"
"The woman is Buke" is correct.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
As for the post#1.
The head cover is Okosozukin お高祖頭巾 as heron said.
Okosozukin is nothing religious.
It's just a thermal wear.
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I can easily imagine some ninjer mania says she's ninja woman. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
shikisoku wrote:

We call it Buke.武家
We don't say "The woman is Samurai"
"The woman is Buke" is correct.
"A buke woman" may be more correct, but most people would have no idea what it means.

I think "samurai woman" is acceptable for ordinary English.
For "woman samurai," samurai is the noun, and woman is used as an adjective. As far as I can tell, "woman X" virtually always means an X who is a woman, as "woman writer," "woman swimmer," etc. So for "woman samurai" about the only meaning that one can come up with is a female samurai, which seems not technically correct.
On the other hand, for "samurai woman," woman is the noun and samurai is used as an adjective. "Samurai X" does not have to mean that X itself is a samurai, for you have all kinds of phrases as "samurai sword," or "samurai residence." So "samurai woman" means a woman who has some close ties with samurai, that is, being from a family headed by a samurai.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
This is certainly how it is used in the book I am currently reading, "Excursions in Identity" by Laura Nenzi, published by University of Hawaii Press. She often uses phrases such as "aristocratic and samurai women". I notice on a quick glance that "Women of the Mito Domain" is subtitled Recollections of samurai family life, and refers to samurai households, but also frequently uses bushi women or women of the bushi class.

I think you are right, Bethetsu, in your analysis Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
For some reason when I see a movie with women wearing those scarfs I can't help but think nun. Maybe Buddhist nuns? I had always wondered why they dressed like that.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hiro Katsumoto wrote:
For some reason when I see a movie with women wearing those scarfs I can't help but think nun. Maybe Buddhist nuns? I had always wondered why they dressed like that.
The two women with scarves in the picture half-way down the page are nuns. Note that the scarf is straight across the forehead and loop at the bottom. They wear veils at least partly because they cut their hair, which was the biggest symbol of taking vows. (Modern Buddhist nuns normally cut their hair but often go bareheaded, I believe.)
On the other hand, the girl at the top of the page simply has the scarf folded around her forehead and tied closely under her chin. As Shikisoku said, it is for warmth.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
By the way, can anyone tell me what the nun's veil like those in the Hojo drama is called (in Japanese)? Also, where was the seam? I can't see one.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thank you Bethetsu. I would never have known that. I had guessed but I don't get any info on samurai from feudal Japan so I am pretty much clueless.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
It seems English is confusing Samurai and Buke.
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