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Tornadoes28
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 Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:49 am Post subject: Re: 13 Assassins |
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| kitsuno wrote: |
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| This has been Miike's biggest film stateside both in terms of the widest opening and the most unanimous critical acclaim,... |
Well, considering it was shown in I believe no more than 30 theaters nationwide since it opened and getting less and less each week, I don't think it really got a fair shot, regardless of how well received and raved about it is. It deserved a wider release, I think. Definitely would have both made a lot more money, and encouraged a larger release of Japanese films in general. But I guess I just find it hard to believe that people refuse to watch movies with subtitles. |
At the same time that it was in theaters my local cable company Time Warner had it for pay perview so that may be also why it was not showing in so many theaters.
I can't understand why some people refuse to watch films with subtitles. What I really don't understand is watching a dubbed film. It never sounds go and I want to hear the original actors voices.
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kitsuno
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I saw Oldboy dubbed and it was AWESOME. Great, disturbing movie, and the dub was excellent. Brotherhood of the Wolf also had a good dub, so it can be done. As for 13 assassins being available on iTunes and digital cable, even if it was watched and paid for a million times, I don't think that counts toward the all important 'box office sales'.
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So I've finally gotten around to seeing the 2nd half of the uncut Japanese version of 13 Assassins... Oh boy. One scene that was cut is so off the wall ridiculous nuts and classic Takashi Miike it bears mentioning - but it is also so freaky that I can see why it was cut. Basically Koyata takes up the village leader's offer of some female companionship for the evening (and by some I mean the whole village), and from there it just gets bizarre. The whole scene was equal servings of hilarious and disturbing, so I'll leave it to you to see if you can figure out what's going on:
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kitsuno
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There was also probably about 5 minutes of extra fight footage, and about 3 minutes tacked onto the ending, with a note that Naritsugu "got sick" during his sankinkoutai, and died at akashi castle. And the final, final scene was also cut - Shinrokurou's girlfriend waiting in the doorway, looking up, and then rushing happily out the door.
For the most part, the cuts that were made were probably done well, most of it was humor that was out of place and interrupted the serious tone, but all of it would have made good footage for an extras section on the US release.
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| All in all, hell doesn't seem too bad...but that old guy...sheesh! |
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wicked iemon
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:38 am Post subject: 13 Assassins |
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You have to wonder how the mainstream critics that know nothing of Jidai Geki/Chanbara save Kurosawa would have reacted to the cut footage .
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Finally saw the Hara-Kiri remake - or "Hairy Carrie" as the film snob in the extras calls it. The indoor and outdoor sets were all beautiful, and Miike was quite reserved with the cinematography. No quick pans, zooms, or shaky cameras, pretty traditional. Ichikawa Ebizo brought a good amount of gravity to the character of Tsugumo, but does lack the presence of Tatsuya Nakadai in the original. In the original, Tsugumo's relation to Chijiwa was kept mysterious until near the end, but in the remake it becomes apparent much quicker, which sort of took away from the plot. The ending is VERY different (although the same result), and depending on your point of view it is either extremely unsatisfying, or quite fitting. I found it unsatisfying, but probably appropriate. It was a good movie, and would be better if the original didn't exist to compare it to, but I will probably watch it again. I'll probably write a review of it for the blog next week.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:19 pm Post subject: Hara Kiri . |
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The reason for the changes is because Miike stuck to the original novel page for page ,while Kobayashi used it as a basis to express his political leanings .
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Interesting. The movie probably would have gone over better with people if it had been billed as "based on the novel" instead of a remake.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:11 pm Post subject: Hara Kiri . |
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Yes and i never knew until last year .Yasuhiko Takiguchi was the author of the the original novel .
Kobayashi claimed he used the story to depict repression of 60's socialist activists by the right wing goverment ,but poor old Yasuhiko only wanted to write a good Jidai Geki .
The original novel was titled Ibun Ronin Ki ,Yasuhiko was not very impressed with either screenwriter Shinobu Hashimoto or Kobayashi because he did not want to be labeled as a Socialist .
Still Hashimoto and Kobayashi tag teamed him one more time by adapting his book Hairyozuma Shimatsu as Samurai Rebellion .
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