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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:49 am    Post subject: Re: 13 Assassins Reply with quote
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This has been Miike's biggest film stateside both in terms of the widest opening and the most unanimous critical acclaim,...


Well, considering it was shown in I believe no more than 30 theaters nationwide since it opened and getting less and less each week, I don't think it really got a fair shot, regardless of how well received and raved about it is. It deserved a wider release, I think. Definitely would have both made a lot more money, and encouraged a larger release of Japanese films in general. But I guess I just find it hard to believe that people refuse to watch movies with subtitles.


At the same time that it was in theaters my local cable company Time Warner had it for pay perview so that may be also why it was not showing in so many theaters.

I can't understand why some people refuse to watch films with subtitles. What I really don't understand is watching a dubbed film. It never sounds go and I want to hear the original actors voices.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I saw Oldboy dubbed and it was AWESOME. Great, disturbing movie, and the dub was excellent. Brotherhood of the Wolf also had a good dub, so it can be done. As for 13 assassins being available on iTunes and digital cable, even if it was watched and paid for a million times, I don't think that counts toward the all important 'box office sales'.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
So I've finally gotten around to seeing the 2nd half of the uncut Japanese version of 13 Assassins... Oh boy. One scene that was cut is so off the wall ridiculous nuts and classic Takashi Miike it bears mentioning - but it is also so freaky that I can see why it was cut. Basically Koyata takes up the village leader's offer of some female companionship for the evening (and by some I mean the whole village), and from there it just gets bizarre. The whole scene was equal servings of hilarious and disturbing, so I'll leave it to you to see if you can figure out what's going on:










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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
WTF??
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
There was also probably about 5 minutes of extra fight footage, and about 3 minutes tacked onto the ending, with a note that Naritsugu "got sick" during his sankinkoutai, and died at akashi castle. And the final, final scene was also cut - Shinrokurou's girlfriend waiting in the doorway, looking up, and then rushing happily out the door.

For the most part, the cuts that were made were probably done well, most of it was humor that was out of place and interrupted the serious tone, but all of it would have made good footage for an extras section on the US release.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
All in all, hell doesn't seem too bad...but that old guy...sheesh!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:38 am    Post subject: 13 Assassins Reply with quote
You have to wonder how the mainstream critics that know nothing of Jidai Geki/Chanbara save Kurosawa would have reacted to the cut footage .
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Best Buy Review of 13 Assassins
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/13+Assassins+-+Widescreen+Subtitle+AC3+-+DVD/2901878.p?id=2219170&skuId=2901878&st=13%20ASSASSINS&lp=2&cp=1

Hee Hee "Based on an actual event "oh please enlighten me .
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Finally saw the Hara-Kiri remake - or "Hairy Carrie" as the film snob in the extras calls it. The indoor and outdoor sets were all beautiful, and Miike was quite reserved with the cinematography. No quick pans, zooms, or shaky cameras, pretty traditional. Ichikawa Ebizo brought a good amount of gravity to the character of Tsugumo, but does lack the presence of Tatsuya Nakadai in the original. In the original, Tsugumo's relation to Chijiwa was kept mysterious until near the end, but in the remake it becomes apparent much quicker, which sort of took away from the plot. The ending is VERY different (although the same result), and depending on your point of view it is either extremely unsatisfying, or quite fitting. I found it unsatisfying, but probably appropriate. It was a good movie, and would be better if the original didn't exist to compare it to, but I will probably watch it again. I'll probably write a review of it for the blog next week.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:19 pm    Post subject: Hara Kiri . Reply with quote
The reason for the changes is because Miike stuck to the original novel page for page ,while Kobayashi used it as a basis to express his political leanings .
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Interesting. The movie probably would have gone over better with people if it had been billed as "based on the novel" instead of a remake.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wait, what? THERE'S A NOVEL?


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:11 pm    Post subject: Hara Kiri . Reply with quote
Yes and i never knew until last year .Yasuhiko Takiguchi was the author of the the original novel .

Kobayashi claimed he used the story to depict repression of 60's socialist activists by the right wing goverment ,but poor old Yasuhiko only wanted to write a good Jidai Geki .

The original novel was titled Ibun Ronin Ki ,Yasuhiko was not very impressed with either screenwriter Shinobu Hashimoto or Kobayashi because he did not want to be labeled as a Socialist .

Still Hashimoto and Kobayashi tag teamed him one more time by adapting his book Hairyozuma Shimatsu as Samurai Rebellion .
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I actually prefer the original for its political punch. It is more effective in its condemnation of the status quo, which I think is what makes it so unique as a movie of this type. The characters themselves are almost secondary to the pillars of society that they are at the mercy of. This is reflected in the fact that, in many of the scenes, the environments were actually portrayed as much larger than the characters. Compare this to Miike's remake, in which the characters get lots of close-ups and intense stare-downs with the camera. In the original, you really got the sense that all the samurai (even the Ii retainers) were powerless before tradition and "saving face." I also don't think you need to be a socialist to enjoy the film or to sympathize with the theme that cultural values are used as cover so the powerful can repress the poor and disadvantaged.

I still enjoyed Miike's remake as basically a more sentimental version of the same story. Rather than building slowly to a scathing indictment of the system, Miike's film makes it plain almost from the start that it is about emotional intensity and exploring love, hate, grief, revenge, and so on. He does this very well (as does Ebizo in his portrayal), which is remarkable given his history of employing blood and guts as opposed to a "quiet storm" of raw emotion. I think if you compare this film with some of his earlier work, like Ichi the Killer, it really shows his maturity as a filmmaker or at least that he doesn't have to rely on gore and viscera to convey pain and suffering.

"Sentimental" isn't meant as an insult. "When the Last Sword is Drawn" was so sentimental it was cheesy and, for me, ultimately unwatchable. Miike manages to let his actors and their expressions do the talking and also throws in plenty of beautiful still scenes that set the mood and build tension. There isn't as much of a suspenseful payoff as in the original, as already noted, but the reasoning behind that has sentimentality within it too. I think whether you end up preferring the original or the remake probably has more to do with whether you prefer a classic sentimental story to one with a bit more bite to it.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I almost think Miike is just brilliant and can do whatever he wants, and not that he "matured" for this film. He could very quickly go right back to making B shock horror films. For the most part, his movies have terrible English titles that really turn people off from his movies and make it hard for people to take them seriously. Yakuza Demon is probably one of his best films, but the English title is so terrible I'm not surprised at all that everyone skips it as a terrible B movie Yakuza flick.

"When the Last Sword is Drawn" was great until the 20 minute death scene at the end. Film editing in Japan just isn't what it should be. The editing done for the US cut of Miike's 13 Assassins saved the film. Same with "Heaven and Earth".
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:28 pm    Post subject: Miikes Hara Kiri Reply with quote
It will be interesting to see Miike's take on Yotsuya Kaidan next year .
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