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Dr. David Neilson has made me aware of a new article about Oda Nobunaga: Nobunaga’s Kanō Free-Market Decrees: A Reconsideration
http://urbanscope.lit.osaka-cu.ac.jp/journal/vol.003.html#vol003-02
This is an article by Hiroshi Niki, translated by Suzanne Gay (author of The Moneylenders of Late Medieval Kyoto) - according to Dr. Neilson, the article tracks the downloads in order to track reader interest - so let's give some points to the Sengoku!
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| Thanks! looks very interesting! |
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| Is it just my not-yet-fluent-in-japanese take or does recent historiography with regards to Nobunaga emphasise how typical he was as a daimyo rather than how different (looking at you Berry). I mean so many of his measures like with regards to trade, subordinates even Buddhist institutions seem to be different only in scale and important only because they are done in the Kinai region and the unification under Hideyoshi and Ieyasu is built on what he does there. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr No-Dachi wrote: |
| Is it just my not-yet-fluent-in-japanese take or does recent historiography with regards to Nobunaga emphasise how typical he was as a daimyo rather than how different (looking at you Berry). I mean so many of his measures like with regards to trade, subordinates even Buddhist institutions seem to be different only in scale and important only because they are done in the Kinai region and the unification under Hideyoshi and Ieyasu is built on what he does there. |
Did you read Japonius Tyrannus: The Japanese Warlord Oda Nobunaga Reconsidered by Jeroen Lamers. I would say that Lamers did not present Nobunaga in the light of a typical Daimyo.
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| Mr No-Dachi wrote: |
| Is it just my not-yet-fluent-in-japanese take or does recent historiography with regards to Nobunaga emphasise how typical he was as a daimyo rather than how different (looking at you Berry). I mean so many of his measures like with regards to trade, subordinates even Buddhist institutions seem to be different only in scale and important only because they are done in the Kinai region and the unification under Hideyoshi and Ieyasu is built on what he does there. |
There are no absolutes in history, and interpretation is usually a matter of perspective. For Berry, her main point is how Hideyoshi changed things, so it's important from her perspective to show the differences between Nobunaga's policies and Hideyoshi's. For Berry, Nobunaga HAS to be part of the older order. It doesn't mean that he was in all ways, or even in most ways--just simply that by comparison, in Berry's opinion, Hideyoshi advanced things significantly from what he did.
Lamers, as Tornadoes pointed out, focuses on Nobunaga, and so presents him in how he was different from the other things before him. If you read things that focus on other Sengoku daimyo, they usually focus on internal domain policies that were different from the Shugo-daimyo before them. For most historians up until recently, they were trying to describe what was going on in any particular time, and the easiest way to do that is to focus on the differences from one period to the next. It's only recently that some historians are focusing more on the continuities and consistencies from period to period, in reaction to the other approach. Both are equally important in understanding the whole picture.
Historians are heavily influenced both by who/what they read that comes before them, and also by the pressure to come up with something "different" from what has come before. Historians of previous decades have focused on Nobunaga as the "first unifier" who started the trend towards unification, making him a "break point" between the past and the future. It's only natural that more recent historians would come back and revisit that idea and provide a different, opposing view, highlighting that he was, in many ways, a continuation of older patterns and that others after him broke those patterns. The reality, or "truth", is that it is a continuum--Nobunaga was neither a radical complete break with the past in all ways, nor was he just another Sengoku daimyo who happened to be successful. He was both, and somewhere in the middle, and how you frame it as a historian will be all about what point you're trying to highlight. For me, for instance, Nobunaga was a brilliant tactician, and I highlight that--but it doesn't mean necessarily that he was a revolutionary tactician, because I can't say definitively that he did anything that anyone else didn't or wouldn't do. There's a lot more that goes into success than tactics at one particular battle, or a handful of economic policies. It's much more complicated, and that's the beauty of it all, to me.
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