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Looks pretty good, actually!
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| Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 12:17 pm Post subject: chushingura |
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No sadly ,the 2004 NHK Mini series which is the same story as this was sappy as they come .
Of all the current crop of new jidai geki films this looks the least interesting .
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| Tornadoes28 wrote: |
| They will be making them long after you are gone my friend. |
That's right.
But till now I think 1958 year version is the best.
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| Isogai wrote: |
| Tornadoes28 wrote: |
| They will be making them long after you are gone my friend. |
That's right.
But till now I think 1958 year version is the best. |
I really enjoyed the 1962 version from director Hiroshi Inagaki. Much better than Kon Ichikawa's 1994 version (47 Ronin) or the 1978 version starring Sonny Chiba and Toshiro Mifune (Swords of Vengeance: The Fall of Ako Castle).
What is the 1958 version you are referring to?
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| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| Tornadoes28 wrote: |
I really enjoyed the 1962 version from director Hiroshi Inagaki. |
Yea, this is fine also.
Have You seen 1/47 version by Kawake Shunsaku ?
Looks somehow strange but very nice performance of the story.
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What is the 1958 version you are referring to? |
This one directed by Kunio Watanabe. I searched it for a long time and have found it not long ago.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:25 pm Post subject: chushingura |
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I hope never to sit through another version .
I am so sick of this story and most of it is fabricated fiction that never happened yet so many believe ...aaaaghhh!!!!!.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: chushingura |
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| wicked iemon wrote: |
| it is fabricated fiction that never happened yet so many believe .... |
May I ask You to be more specific in this part?
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| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: chushingura |
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| wicked iemon wrote: |
| ...and most of it is fabricated fiction that never happened yet so many believe ...aaaaghhh!!!!!. |
I second the motion. Total Feudal Drive-By.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: chushingura |
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| Isogai wrote: |
| wicked iemon wrote: |
| it is fabricated fiction that never happened yet so many believe .... |
May I ask You to be more specific in this part? |
Check out some of the 47 Ronin threads in the Edo period forum. They pretty much let the air out of the 47 Ronin legends. |
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...or You just belive they do.
Unfortunately such things offtenly hapens.
But I'll check first.
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| Isogai wrote: |
...or You just belive they do.
Unfortunately such things offtenly hapens.
But I'll check first. |
Well, actually, according to the historians and experts who have made this their specialty-I know they do. |
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As I said in a proper topic - Ako incident was researched by scientists in Edo period.
From my point of view - it's somehow strange to think that they are all wrong or lying.
Of course we must consider all points of view.
They are not the same in Japan also.
Especialy in Lord Kira province. "Chushingura" kabuki play was even baned here till 1930s.
But why invent "new modern look on the old story"?
As for me it's only because of western tradition 'to be original'.
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| Isogai wrote: |
As I said in a proper topic - Ako incident was researched by scientists in Edo period.
From my point of view - it's somehow strange to think that they are all wrong or lying.
Of course we must consider all points of view.
They are not the same in Japan also.
Especialy in Lord Kira province. "Chushingura" kabuki play was even baned here till 1930s.
But why invent "new modern look on the old story"?
As for me it's only because of western tradition 'to be original'. |
The work of Japanese historians examining the incident using the primary historical documentation forms the basis for all these opinions-it's not a western reinerpretation. I strongly suggest getting ahold of a series of articles dealing with the Ako ronin that appeared in Monumenta Nipponica a few years back that were penned by a variety of scholars from different countries.
There was hardly any serious work done on the Ako incident in the Edo period-rather, a lot of novels, puppet plays, and kabuki dramas. That's the story that came to be seen as 'real' by pop culture historians. There's the 'Chushingura' legends, and the historical reality-and they're vastly different. |
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Ok. Let's move to the topic in "Edo period" and try to discuss.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:34 am Post subject: Re: chushingura |
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| wicked iemon wrote: |
I hope never to sit through another version .
I am so sick of this story and most of it is fabricated fiction that never happened yet so many believe ...aaaaghhh!!!!!. |
YES. ALL of the versions are 99% fiction. Some of them are very entertaining though even though it is glorified fiction and completely distorts the actual events surrounding The Ako Incident.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: chushingura |
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| Tornadoes28 wrote: |
| wicked iemon wrote: |
I hope never to sit through another version .
I am so sick of this story and most of it is fabricated fiction that never happened yet so many believe ...aaaaghhh!!!!!. |
YES. ALL of the versions are 99% fiction. Some of them are very entertaining though even though it is glorified fiction and completely distorts the actual events surrounding The Ako Incident. |
Agreed. I like most of the movies, and really like some of them, such as 'Hana' and 'Chushingura Gaiden Yotsuya Kaidan'. The live performances are even better. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:57 am Post subject: 47 |
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It just seems we are stuck with the 47 or Sakamoto and i just feel ...aghhh enough already why don't you plonkers film Hojo Soun instead ,give us a treat please .
At least its been somewhat slow on the 47 front and there have been some really great versions like the Female Ninja Version where Kira gets sprayed by acid tinged breast milk and than hit by vagina bubbles (this is all true no kidding 1994 Female Neo Ninja's Chushingura ).
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| wicked iemon wrote: |
| ...like the Female Ninja Version where Kira gets sprayed by acid tinged breast milk and than hit by vagina bubbles (this is all true no kidding 1994 Female Neo Ninja's Chushingura ). |
Lemon...WHERE can I find this?!?!!?! |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:09 am Post subject: |
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| wicked lemon wrote: |
| It just seems we are stuck with the 47 or Sakamoto |
Seems like that, even more than Musashi.
But honestly, since this seems like a new take on the 47 Ronin story (and not making them the samurai paragon of virtue they never really was,), this movie is worth a try.
This might be to the ronin as the 2003 Ganryujima is to Musashi.
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| This might be to the ronin as the 2003 Ganryujima is to Musashi. |
A true classic and a personal favorite.
As if there weren't enough modern sammyrai antics on display lately, that Mark Dacascos Musashi special was airing when I dialed up History Channel this morning. Ugh. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:23 am Post subject: |
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| Tatsunoshi wrote: |
| Kayjee wrote: |
| This might be to the ronin as the 2003 Ganryujima is to Musashi. |
A true classic and a personal favorite.
As if there weren't enough modern sammyrai antics on display lately, that Mark Dacascos Musashi special was airing when I dialed up History Channel this morning. Ugh. |
Some of the Musashi loving Dacascos supporters remind me of our current discussion over on the Ako Incident thread.
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