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Obenjo Kusanosuke
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From time to time, I'll post some Edo-period trivia questions here. Others are free to join in and add questions. Winners don't get anything for correct answers except a shaku of my respect! 
Q1. In the good ole days of old Edo, 5 bridges used to span the Sumida River. Who wants to take a crack at listing them?
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Would they be the famous Nihonbashi (1603, from where the Naksendou and Toukaidou roads started), Eitaibashi (1696), Senjubashi (1594, the first bridge built over the river), Azumabashi (1774), and Ryougokubashi (1659)? The only reason I knew this is because it was a question in that Edo period quiz progam I have for the DS.
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You are almost right! But still wrong.  You got four of the five!
I just got that question out of an Edo period quiz book I bought today. My wife threw that question at me during dinner while leafing through it.
I have to wonder-- is your game based on the same series of books I bought? The books I picked up today are from the Edo Bunka Rekishi Kentei Kyōkai series (江戸文化歴史検定).
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Not sure-the game is 江戸文化歴史検定, but I think it's just similar products having a similar name.
That's strange that they'd differ (the answer I have even gives the dates they were completed). Is this a case of the fifth bridge in your book using ohashi instead of bashi? Maybe one of the bridges was known by two names. |
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| Obenjo Kusanosuke wrote: |
| That would be Shin Ohashi. |
Ah, so the quiz book uses Shin Ohashi instead of (I'm presuming) Azumabashi, which wasn't built until 1774. |
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Nope. The book lists the following bridges:
1) Senju Ohashi
2) Azumabashi
3) Shin Ohashi
4) Eitaibashi
5) Ryogokubashi
This was a tough one!
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| Wow, so it didn't use the Nihonbashi as one of the five? I wonder why? I never would have guessed that. |
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My wife double checked by counting them on a map from a book she bought from the same series, but called 大江戸見聞録. She just disappeared into the bedroom with it.
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| Tatsunoshi wrote: |
| Wow, so it didn't use the Nihonbashi as one of the five? I wonder why? I never would have guessed that. |
On my map, Nihonbashi is on the Nihongawa river, about 1 km from its junction with the Sumida Gawa. |
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Brother Obenjo,
I think after our Geisha exchange it was rather clear that I am in need of said quiz book!! (Searching Amazon for it now).
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Dash,
Again don't get me wrong-- geisha could be found in the Yoshiwara. Based on my limited knowledge (and it is limited, compared to say... Ashigaru) I just dispute that the Yoshiwara was the premier hanamachi for geisha. Much other refined hanamachi districts just come to mind--places where one wouldn't have to wear a disguise when going to be entertained.
There are many quiz books out there--and they are a lot of fun, but they are not the best way to learn your Japanese history.  They will provide answers to all sorts of questions, but there will be no DEPTH to what you are learning. To study Japanese history out of a quiz book is like cramming for a test just to forget everything you crammed as soon as the test is over.
I use the quiz books to simply test what I do or don't know. When I find something I don't know on a particular topic or theme that I am interested in, I tend to go and do some serious reading about it out of a real history book. 
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| Bethetsu wrote: |
| Tatsunoshi wrote: |
| Wow, so it didn't use the Nihonbashi as one of the five? I wonder why? I never would have guessed that. |
On my map, Nihonbashi is on the Nihongawa river, about 1 km from its junction with the Sumida Gawa. |
Is that a modern map? From what I understand (and it's limited in this regard), the Sumida River flowed along a different route during the Edo period and was later redirected-and at the time Nihonbashi went over it. |
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My map was modern, but later I checked with the late Edo map that yahoo posted last year in an old map festival. Nihon bashi is not over the Sumida-gawa, though the resolution is too small to let me see the name of the river.
(I tried to post a portion, but the directions in San no Maru only got me a thumb-nail-size picture, which is too small to be useful. )
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| From what I understand (and it's limited in this regard), the Sumida River flowed along a different route during the Edo period and was later redirected-and at the time Nihonbashi went over it. |
Perhaps, but just looking at the large size of the area of the Sumida river bed suggests that any redirecting would have been very early in the Edo period.
By the way, when I look at the map, it seems that the Nakasendo and the Tokaido must have met at Nihon Bashi from the north and the south. |
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OK, I got it.
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| Again don't get me wrong-- geisha could be found in the Yoshiwara. Based on my limited knowledge (and it is limited, compared to say... Ashigaru) I just dispute that the Yoshiwara was the premier hanamachi for geisha. Much other refined hanamachi districts just come to mind--places where one wouldn't have to wear a disguise when going to be entertained. |
Not to worry at all Brother Obenjo!  I appriciate the added information because, as mentioned, certainly not an expert on Geisha and the only way to learn is to put it out there and be corrected by those in the know. Its a shame I haven't studied the topic of Geisha more. (Insert wasted youth rant here).
As always I learn and share what information I can to this soup mix of ideas. I am continuously impressed at the level of discourse here and am pleased that you guys even listen to me.. ha ha
You know, I never thought about reading quiz books. How odd, that the idea never once even came to mind. And its a GREAT way to learn too...
I'm going to drive my wife nuts with this for sure! Merci for the great idea! |
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Here is the next Edo-period trivia question:
What word means "Shogun's wife"?
A. kitamondokoro
B. ooku-no-ue-sama
C. midaidokoro
D. kisaki
E. daidokuro-no-kami-sama
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I'll go with 'What is a Kitchen Goddess?' for $500 and a slap in the face, please!
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Okay, for those who may be struggling with the knowledge of Japanese needed to answer the above question, here is a visual one.
Who is this man?
A. Matsudaira Nagayoshi
B. Tokugawa Ienobu
C. Hotta Masahiro
D. Tokugawa Iemochi
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| Obenjo Kusanosuke wrote: |
Here is the next Edo-period trivia question:
What word means "Shogun's wife"?
A. kitamondokoro
B. ooku-no-ue-sama
C. midaidokoro
D. kisaki
E. daidokuro-no-kami-sama |
Well, Alex, I'd like Who Is A Monkey's Wife? and I'm lettin' it all ride. Shouldn't that be Kitamandokoro (or Kitanomandokoro)?
Anyway, I usually just call the Shogun's wife 'babe'. But lessee...the Shogun is Ue-sama...wife is Okusan...Oku of ue-sama...E! The answer is E! No, wait! B! B!
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| Obenjo Kusanosuke wrote: |
Okay, for those who may be struggling with the knowledge of Japanese needed to answer the above question, here is a visual one.
Who is this man?
A. Matsudaira Nagayoshi
B. Tokugawa Ienobu
C. Hotta Masahiro
D. Tokugawa Iemochi |
Hey, they happen to be usin' this very print as a dart board down at the Yoshiwara guard post. It's the big boss, Tokugawa Ienobu.
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| A Shogun's wife is generally refered to as ooku-no-ue-sama. I believe the house where the shoguns wife lives is also called by the name of ooku. |
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Well, in my opinion the face looks similar to that of Tokugawa Ienobu. But the color of his clothes are not right, as I do not believe a Tokugawa has ever been shown wearing anything but a traditional black uwagi or his his usual bogu and armor.
I'll still say its Ienobu but am not sure.
EDIT: I just read Brick's posting where (uh I think) gave the answers...
Crap! and I thought I was the first to reply!! Damn it McBurly!! 
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| Dash101 wrote: |
| A Shogun's wife is generally refered to as ooku-no-ue-sama. I believe the house where the shoguns wife lives is also called by the name of ooku. |
Ahh, stated with such authority, but sorry laddie, you are WRONG! This is disappointing considering you are writing a book about and Edo period figure. You do realize that your credibility as a Japanese historian rests on your knowledge of this word, yes?
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| Well, Alex, I'd like Who Is A Monkey's Wife? and I'm lettin' it all ride. Shouldn't that be Kitamandokoro (or Kitanomandokoro)? |
Brick, touch your own monkey and dance your way to the nearest book shop to get yourself a dictionary. I deliberately decided to change the spelling away from meaning a "monkey's wife" to "northern mon" to add to some confusion for people with Ebisu-soaked brains such as yourself!
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But the color of his clothes are not right, as I do not believe a Tokugawa has ever been shown wearing anything but a traditional black uwagi or his his usual bogu and armor.
I'll still say its Ienobu but am not sure. |
And exactly what color is that supposed to be in the picture, Dasheroo? Ummm, could that color be representing "black"?
Hear me now and listen to me later. The answer is indeed Ienobu!
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