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What is the accessory daimyos would keep in their hand during a battle?; The one they use to give orders, like proceed in the beginning.
Topic Started: Apr 20 2016, 03:42 AM (916 Views)
nomind
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It is like some kind of stick and resembles a miniature mop lol. So what is that accessory or what are those accessories (seems like there are different too) ?

here @ 3:41 --> and another @ 10:28 -->



Thanks in advance! ^_^

I tried to find a proper section for this noob question. Hopefully this is the right place. Sorry if it's not.
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Are you talking about the war fan? I just realized I've never looked into its purpose. Maybe a convenient way to point to stuff to attack? :P
Edited by kitsuno, May 19 2016, 05:52 PM.
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Well, the video didn't load for me. So I can't be 100% sure of what you're talking about, but I'll shoot for a possibility.
Is it the Saihai, like seen in Hojo Soun's statue at Odawara?
i.e. this:
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As far as I understand it was used because it was easily portable (just slips through your belt and hangs there) and was used as a signaling device similar to the uchiwa, gunbai, and tessen/gunsen. While the gunbai also doubled as a personal sunshade and makeshift shield the uchiwa was popular as a fan and the tessen and gunsen were also portable and could be used as a fan.
Given what I know of military signaling I imagine that the general could swing or tilt his saihai in a particular fashion so as to give a signal to his men to follow or point a particular direction. He could also wave it around to signaling advance, withdrawal, or simply to show he was alive if a rumor spread that he had been killed, captured, or wounded.
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May 19 2016, 06:32 PM
Well, the video didn't load for me. So I can't be 100% sure of what you're talking about, but I'll shoot for a possibility.



I just fixed the link for him, but I'm pretty sure you're right.
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There we go. Yes Yoshitsugu should be holding a Saihai in the first part (3:41) and Ishida is holding either a Tessen (or gunsen, hard to tell the difference without holding one, I think).

And I hope you're happy; my wife called me a nerd. That is a video in Japanese with Korean subtitles...and based entirely on their outfits and mon I was able to narrate what was happening and a vague idea of what was being said, identifying characters as soon as they appeared (Otani, Fukushima, Ukita, etc.) even though I can't speak Japanese and I can't read Korean.
Although if anyone knows a version of this with English subtitles I would cherish a link; I've wanted to watch it for quite a while now.
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I had completely forgotten that I had made this thread. Thank you both for your answers!

I thought that it would be nice souvenir when I get to go to Japan. Also Otsuzumi drum and Horagai/jinkai conch shell would be cool instruments.

Heck I might even create a samurai boy band. It's not too late to try to make that backstreet boyz money in your mid 20s. Now that I heard from my Japanese friend that SMAP is breaking up soon when I told him about Shinsengumi! taiga and Kondo Isami actor, the SMAP member Katori Shingo, I should keep in mind to pursue him to be the face of it, it would definitely add to the street cred. :derp:
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