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Origin/Meaning of Ukita Kamon; Translation/Origin Question for Kamon.
Topic Started: Apr 4 2017, 05:46 AM (437 Views)
Dickjutsu
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So I think we've all seen the Kamon of he Ukita clan. I think it's called Jimonji (兒文字紋), but it uses an old version of 'Ji'. A comment I read suggests it as older verison of this Ji: 児

I've seen this translated as both King and Child. I ran it through a very highly efficient J-E translator (Google :ROTFL:) and got 'Child's Handwriting Crest'; which I personally thought was hilarious.

Can anyone tell me for certain what it means or if there's any deeper meaning to the thing? Always been curious. Thanks.
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Dickjutsu
Apr 4 2017, 05:46 AM
Can anyone tell me for certain what it means or if there's any deeper meaning to the thing? Always been curious. Thanks.


Do you mean the character, or why the Ukita use it as their kamon? I can help with the former, not the latter. From my 漢和 jiten (漢辞海):

兒:same as 児. Chinese readings given are er and ni (not messing with tone marks)
N: 1. Child (子ども、こ) 2. Youthful man (青年男子) 3. Son (息子) 4. Me, I, Self (わたし。われ)5. A family name.
2ndary: Suffix appended to nouns as a diminutive. Can also be added to Adj & Verbs. ex: 魚児 "young fish"
N: An adult tooth
In name combinations: can be read as "nori"

It doesn't give much explanation of any deeper meanings. All of the examples are variations on child or children.


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That's about what I found, too. Thanks for the clarification.

If anyone can figure out a meaning behind the Ukita's decision to make their kamon 'Child' I'd stil be interested in hearing it.
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Hi Dickjutsu

I came across a few references in my heraldry research that listed it as Ko - celebrating the Ukita's illustrious (claimed) ancestor Kojima Takanori ( 児島高徳 ). Not sure how accurate that would be as to whether ko is a reading for that kanji
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Perfectly normal reading for it, so if you have a citation for him that checks out, I'd go with it.
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Ah! That would make some sense. Thank you for the lead on that one, Marder. I can look into it more from that angle.
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